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		<title>Comment on &#8220;Dr&#8221; Aubrey de Grey is a Charlatan by Bluesman Tom</title>
		<link>http://evolutionlondon.wordpress.com/2008/02/12/dr-aubrey-de-grey-is-a-charlatan/#comment-285</link>
		<dc:creator>Bluesman Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 05:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is really conservative rhetoric at is most obsurd. Dr. de Grey is an amazing man on a passionate mission regardless of his background or education. Thos. Edison had a 5th grade education. It never slowed him down from accomplishing and researching what he did. The days of specialization are going to be grinding to a halt. Diversification will be the new specialty. Brilliant minds will be brilliant minds and passion for a cause will overcome any lack in education. Either go back to the church you worship and and talk to your favorite clergy or get your head out of your ass and develop some passion on your own and think for yourself w/o anybody else&#039;s opinion. Long live.... everybody!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is really conservative rhetoric at is most obsurd. Dr. de Grey is an amazing man on a passionate mission regardless of his background or education. Thos. Edison had a 5th grade education. It never slowed him down from accomplishing and researching what he did. The days of specialization are going to be grinding to a halt. Diversification will be the new specialty. Brilliant minds will be brilliant minds and passion for a cause will overcome any lack in education. Either go back to the church you worship and and talk to your favorite clergy or get your head out of your ass and develop some passion on your own and think for yourself w/o anybody else&#8217;s opinion. Long live&#8230;. everybody!!</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;Dr&#8221; Aubrey de Grey is a Charlatan by Iain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Iain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is grossly innacurate on many counts.

De Grey does have a PhD in the relevant life science, does run a lab (but the lack of one would not a valid criticism of anything), and was not fired from any job, but quit after a disagreement. I know him personally and I can assure you that whatever else he may be, he is not a charlatan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is grossly innacurate on many counts.</p>
<p>De Grey does have a PhD in the relevant life science, does run a lab (but the lack of one would not a valid criticism of anything), and was not fired from any job, but quit after a disagreement. I know him personally and I can assure you that whatever else he may be, he is not a charlatan.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Are white middle-class men discriminated against? No, seriously. by Mike</title>
		<link>http://evolutionlondon.wordpress.com/2008/08/26/are-white-middle-class-men-discriminated-against-no-seriously/#comment-283</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 21:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paxman has not made a faux pas. Many of us who are pale and male can relate to this -- discrimination against us is systemic -- but we don&#039;t speak out enough about it. Please, for example, can some bold commentator start kicking up a fuss about anti-male bias in the media. Anyone ever seen a men&#039;s rights group quoted in a news story??? 

As for being white (which I am), I hate the constant stereotyping and the subtle anti-white racism in the UK that has flourished under our oppressive left-wing state. Many organisations now have clear policies in place to favour/advantage people who are non-male, and non-white (and often non-middle class). Social engineering is so pervasive in our society that summarily to write off Paxman&#039;s non-conformist remarks as a faux pas shows precisely the extent to which dictat has, in many quarters, displaced independent critical thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paxman has not made a faux pas. Many of us who are pale and male can relate to this &#8212; discrimination against us is systemic &#8212; but we don&#8217;t speak out enough about it. Please, for example, can some bold commentator start kicking up a fuss about anti-male bias in the media. Anyone ever seen a men&#8217;s rights group quoted in a news story??? </p>
<p>As for being white (which I am), I hate the constant stereotyping and the subtle anti-white racism in the UK that has flourished under our oppressive left-wing state. Many organisations now have clear policies in place to favour/advantage people who are non-male, and non-white (and often non-middle class). Social engineering is so pervasive in our society that summarily to write off Paxman&#8217;s non-conformist remarks as a faux pas shows precisely the extent to which dictat has, in many quarters, displaced independent critical thought.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;Dr&#8221; Aubrey de Grey is a Charlatan by Rafael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rafael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 08:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is already a cure for death, there is a plant in amazon that combined with some substances can stop aging. But of course its not avaliable to everybody and shouldnt be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is already a cure for death, there is a plant in amazon that combined with some substances can stop aging. But of course its not avaliable to everybody and shouldnt be.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;Dr&#8221; Aubrey de Grey is a Charlatan by MIke</title>
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		<dc:creator>MIke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 01:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To the point made by @jonathan: so what? Cambridge was obviously satisfied enough to give the PhD. That&#039;s not good enough?

As to the documentary&#039;s thesis that de Gray is doing all this work to &quot;fill a void in his life&quot; - again, so what? This is like criticizing Godel because he went crazy and stopped eating because he though he was being poisoned. 

What difference does any of this make? The guy is trying to end aging. He&#039;s mobilizing resources in that direction and making things happen.

The next time you go to a rest home or a hospital and see all the human suffering maybe you better think about the good he&#039;s trying to do and decide whose side you&#039;re on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the point made by @jonathan: so what? Cambridge was obviously satisfied enough to give the PhD. That&#8217;s not good enough?</p>
<p>As to the documentary&#8217;s thesis that de Gray is doing all this work to &#8220;fill a void in his life&#8221; &#8211; again, so what? This is like criticizing Godel because he went crazy and stopped eating because he though he was being poisoned. </p>
<p>What difference does any of this make? The guy is trying to end aging. He&#8217;s mobilizing resources in that direction and making things happen.</p>
<p>The next time you go to a rest home or a hospital and see all the human suffering maybe you better think about the good he&#8217;s trying to do and decide whose side you&#8217;re on.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;Dr&#8221; Aubrey de Grey is a Charlatan by Haris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Haris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 03:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you forgot to mention that he enjoys drinking beer entirely too much? I mean come on... this might just be the most sensible thing a human being has attempted since the advent of Aristotelian Logic. If you are so certain that De Grey is a fraud, then why not earn some money by proving it?

The SENS Challenge Prize

In July 2005, Pontin announced a $20,000 prize open to any molecular biologist, with a record of publication in biogerontology, who could prove that SENS was &quot;so wrong that it is unworthy of learned debate.&quot; (See Pontin&#039;s TR Blog &quot;The SENS Challenge&quot; [6]). Technology Review pledged $10,000 towards the prize, and the Methuselah Foundation, an organization co-founded by de Grey, pledged the other $10,000.

In March, of 2006, Technology Review announced that it had chosen a panel of judges for the Challenge: Rodney Brooks, PhD, director of MIT&#039;s Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory (CSAIL); Anita Goel, MD and PhD, founder and chief executive of Nanobiosym; Vikram Kumar, MD, cofounder and chief executive of Dimagi, and a pathologist at the Brigham and Women&#039;s Hospital in Boston; Nathan Myhrvold, PhD, cofounder and chief executive of Intellectual Ventures, and former chief technologist at Microsoft; and J. Craig Venter, PhD, founder of the J. Craig Venter Institute and developer of whole-genome shotgun sequencing, which sped up the human genome project.[7]

Technology Review received five submissions to its Challenge. Three met the terms of the prize competition. They were published by Technology Review on June 9, 2006. Accompanying the three submissions were rebuttals by de Grey, and counter-responses to de Grey&#039;s rebuttals.

On July 11, 2006, Technology Review published the results of the SENS Challenge. In the end, no one won the $20,000 prize. The judges felt that no submission met the criterion of the challenge and disproved SENS, although they unanimously agreed that one submission, by Preston Estep and his colleagues, was the most eloquent. Craig Venter succinctly expressed the prevailing opinion: &quot;Estep et al. ... have not demonstrated that SENS is unworthy of discussion, but the proponents of SENS have not made a compelling case for it.&quot;

Summarizing the judges&#039; deliberations, Pontin wrote, &quot;SENS is highly speculative. Many of its proposals have not been reproduced, nor could they be reproduced with today&#039;s scientific knowledge and technology. Echoing Myhrvold, we might charitably say that de Grey&#039;s proposals exist in a kind of antechamber of science, where they wait (possibly in vain) for independent verification. SENS does not compel the assent of many knowledgeable scientists; but neither is it demonstrably wrong.&quot;[8] However, Myhrvold himself was later quoted in the Washington Post (November 1, 2007, page C10) as follows: “It was a bit ironic because they were mostly the work of established scientists in mainstream gerontology who sought to brand de Grey as ‘unscientific’ — yet the supposed refutations were themselves quite unscientific. “The ‘refutations’ were either ad hominem attacks on de Grey, or arguments that his ideas would never work (which might be right, but that is what experiments are for), or arguments that portions of de Grey’s work rested on other people’s ideas. None of these refute the possibility that he is at least partially correct.&quot;

Taken from : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Grey_Technology_Review_debate</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you forgot to mention that he enjoys drinking beer entirely too much? I mean come on&#8230; this might just be the most sensible thing a human being has attempted since the advent of Aristotelian Logic. If you are so certain that De Grey is a fraud, then why not earn some money by proving it?</p>
<p>The SENS Challenge Prize</p>
<p>In July 2005, Pontin announced a $20,000 prize open to any molecular biologist, with a record of publication in biogerontology, who could prove that SENS was &#8220;so wrong that it is unworthy of learned debate.&#8221; (See Pontin&#8217;s TR Blog &#8220;The SENS Challenge&#8221; [6]). Technology Review pledged $10,000 towards the prize, and the Methuselah Foundation, an organization co-founded by de Grey, pledged the other $10,000.</p>
<p>In March, of 2006, Technology Review announced that it had chosen a panel of judges for the Challenge: Rodney Brooks, PhD, director of MIT&#8217;s Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory (CSAIL); Anita Goel, MD and PhD, founder and chief executive of Nanobiosym; Vikram Kumar, MD, cofounder and chief executive of Dimagi, and a pathologist at the Brigham and Women&#8217;s Hospital in Boston; Nathan Myhrvold, PhD, cofounder and chief executive of Intellectual Ventures, and former chief technologist at Microsoft; and J. Craig Venter, PhD, founder of the J. Craig Venter Institute and developer of whole-genome shotgun sequencing, which sped up the human genome project.[7]</p>
<p>Technology Review received five submissions to its Challenge. Three met the terms of the prize competition. They were published by Technology Review on June 9, 2006. Accompanying the three submissions were rebuttals by de Grey, and counter-responses to de Grey&#8217;s rebuttals.</p>
<p>On July 11, 2006, Technology Review published the results of the SENS Challenge. In the end, no one won the $20,000 prize. The judges felt that no submission met the criterion of the challenge and disproved SENS, although they unanimously agreed that one submission, by Preston Estep and his colleagues, was the most eloquent. Craig Venter succinctly expressed the prevailing opinion: &#8220;Estep et al. &#8230; have not demonstrated that SENS is unworthy of discussion, but the proponents of SENS have not made a compelling case for it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Summarizing the judges&#8217; deliberations, Pontin wrote, &#8220;SENS is highly speculative. Many of its proposals have not been reproduced, nor could they be reproduced with today&#8217;s scientific knowledge and technology. Echoing Myhrvold, we might charitably say that de Grey&#8217;s proposals exist in a kind of antechamber of science, where they wait (possibly in vain) for independent verification. SENS does not compel the assent of many knowledgeable scientists; but neither is it demonstrably wrong.&#8221;[8] However, Myhrvold himself was later quoted in the Washington Post (November 1, 2007, page C10) as follows: “It was a bit ironic because they were mostly the work of established scientists in mainstream gerontology who sought to brand de Grey as ‘unscientific’ — yet the supposed refutations were themselves quite unscientific. “The ‘refutations’ were either ad hominem attacks on de Grey, or arguments that his ideas would never work (which might be right, but that is what experiments are for), or arguments that portions of de Grey’s work rested on other people’s ideas. None of these refute the possibility that he is at least partially correct.&#8221;</p>
<p>Taken from : <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Grey_Technology_Review_debate" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Grey_Technology_Review_debate</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Positive discrimination is still discrimination by Rather than defeating the very core of racism, British politicians seem content to replace true notions of equality with the hard, shiny, plastic exterior of mere political correctness. &#171; Muslim786malaysia&#8217;s Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rather than defeating the very core of racism, British politicians seem content to replace true notions of equality with the hard, shiny, plastic exterior of mere political correctness. &#171; Muslim786malaysia&#8217;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 22:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Positive discrimination is still discrimination Posted on August 24, 2008 by evolution [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on The New Enlightenment: The Role of Women in Muslim Reformation by The New Enlightenment: The Role of Women in Muslim Reformation How Muslim Women are Bringing Religion Out of the Dark Ages.” &#171; Muslim786malaysia&#8217;s Blog</title>
		<link>http://evolutionlondon.wordpress.com/2008/03/21/the-new-enlightenment-the-role-of-women-in-muslim-reformation/#comment-263</link>
		<dc:creator>The New Enlightenment: The Role of Women in Muslim Reformation How Muslim Women are Bringing Religion Out of the Dark Ages.” &#171; Muslim786malaysia&#8217;s Blog</dc:creator>
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		<title>Comment on Ayn Rand, Socialism and Some Reflections by FATMAN</title>
		<link>http://evolutionlondon.wordpress.com/2008/04/14/ayn-rand-socialism-and-some-reflections/#comment-257</link>
		<dc:creator>FATMAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 16:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the point Rand was trying to make is not that helping others is bad, but being compelled by anything or anyone besides your own desire to help others is oppressive.

Being forced to pay taxes for others benefits is oppressive.  Whether it is health care or public transportation, if you do not use it why should you have to pay for it other than the government forces you to pay for it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the point Rand was trying to make is not that helping others is bad, but being compelled by anything or anyone besides your own desire to help others is oppressive.</p>
<p>Being forced to pay taxes for others benefits is oppressive.  Whether it is health care or public transportation, if you do not use it why should you have to pay for it other than the government forces you to pay for it?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Cool advertising: Trublood &#8211; the synthetic blood soft drink by scotty p</title>
		<link>http://evolutionlondon.wordpress.com/2008/08/03/cool-advertising-trublood-the-blood-flavoured-soft-drink/#comment-255</link>
		<dc:creator>scotty p</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 02:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and, it IS NOT &quot;cool advertising&quot; it is misleading and it got my hopes up for nothing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and, it IS NOT &#8220;cool advertising&#8221; it is misleading and it got my hopes up for nothing!</p>
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